Comment on the specific recommendations in the Royal Commission's Report

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Ocker O'Reilly

10 Jun 2016

Nuclear recycling and reprocessing reduces the volume of spent nuclear fuel that is wasted, it reduces the toxicity & its longevity , and can provide the planet with about 100 times the energy already harvested. It is entirely possible to do this here, particularly if South Australians become aware of the science which is outlined in this Oak Ridge National Laboratory video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdBoBlTSmKw and are as environmentally conscientious as enviro NGOs claim
Nuclear is expanding in many countries, even if you dont like it. It is a readily observable fact. Australia still has to be part of the solution to many global issues, even if we are an island.
We can either choose to do highly paid useful technically challenging activities, provide a valuable service industry, and engage in the higher education & science processes that have brought us a world class society, or we can sit round campfires singing KumByeAhhh and roasting the odd goanna while we wait for the inevitable decay of our society. We can choose to safeguard material in our stable political & geological environment, or leave it where the non proliferation crowd claim ceaselessly is too great a risk. We can manage the material well, or leave it to chance. Recycling & Re-Use is not just good practice for "other" minerals.

Jamie Bishop > Ocker O'Reilly

14 Jun 2016

great points Ocker... Innovation will certainly come - and if we are in the process currently, we have so much more chance of leading/benefiting.

Rodney Creek

10 Jun 2016

Filth is filth - SA is home - does not matter how many zillions of commissions and reports are presented the nature of this filth will not alter , even then greed will eventually determine the real nature of this Pandoras box , how far , how deep , how much , packaging care , transport care etc

Jamie Bishop > Rodney Creek

14 Jun 2016

Unhelpful ill informed rant

Jenny Hogben

10 Jun 2016

Expecting a level handed Report, I was surprised to read in the first few pages recommendations that Government Legislation that restricts any part of the nuclear industry is removed or streamlined to make each step easier. The Report raises some interesting questions, mostly regarding the approach it takes. To begin with, the Report states the Commission's focus is on understanding facts and not accepting perceptions. Perceptions rule our economy. We spend large amounts of money on a particular brand of phone that is produced for a fraction of the cost because of our perceived value of that brand. International perception of South Australia as the centre of clean, quality wine and produce means we have massive export potential in markets yet to be developed. Permanent storage for intermediate (and possibly opening up for future high level) nuclear waste will impact on the South Australian brand, not just locally, but nationally and internationally. Further into the Report it states that policies should be based on evidence, not opinion or emotion. The Report states that with nuclear waste: "The level of hazard reduces over time with radiation levels decreasing rapidly during the first 30 to 50 years of storage, with the most radioactive elements decaying within the first 500 years. However, the less radioactive but longer-lived elements of used nuclear fuel require containment and isolation for at least 100 000 years." The facts of that should be enough for us to never consider digging the ore out of the ground in the first place. The Report says that South Australia can safely increase its participation in the nuclear cycle if the wealth is preserved and equitably shared, there is bipartisan approach and stable government policy, and for the extraction of ore the mining company pays for all decomissioning and remediation of the site. We've found from history that there is no guarantee of any of those factors, let alone years into the future. The most interesting of all the recommendations is "The Commission looked closely at reactor safety and the major accidents associated with nuclear power plants. While acknowledging the severe consequences of such accidents, the Commission has found sufficient evidence of safe operation and improvements such that nuclear power should not be discounted as an energy option on the basis of safety." No one has the right to recommend we take a risk that can potentially impact so disastrously and with such long term impact on the environment. We are making a decision for future generations, not just ourselves, for the return of a few dollars that will be spent in no time. Weighing up the facts of the life-cycle of radioactive waste, any risk of environmental disaster and the effect on branding of South Australia as a clean, green tourist and produce state, versus the dollar return for proceding with further participation in the nuclear fuel cycle, the Report's recommendations are reckless in the extreme.

Jenny Hogben

10 Jun 2016

Expecting a level handed Report, I was surprised to read in the first few pages recommendations that Government Legislation that restricts any part of the nuclear industry is removed or streamlined to make each step easier. The Report raises some interesting questions, mostly regarding the approach it takes. To begin with, the Report states the Commission's focus is on understanding facts and not accepting perceptions. Perceptions rule our economy. We spend large amounts of money on a particular brand of phone that is produced for a fraction of the cost because of our perceived value of that brand. International perception of South Australia as the centre of clean, quality wine and produce means we have massive export potential in markets yet to be developed. Permanent storage for intermediate (and possibly opening up for future high level) nuclear waste will impact on the South Australian brand, not just locally, but nationally and internationally. Further into the Report it states that policies should be based on evidence, not opinion or emotion. The Report states that with nuclear waste: "The level of hazard reduces over time with radiation levels decreasing rapidly during the first 30 to 50 years of storage, with the most radioactive elements decaying within the first 500 years. However, the less radioactive but longer-lived elements of used nuclear fuel require containment and isolation for at least 100 000 years." The facts of that should be enough for us to never consider digging the ore out of the ground in the first place. The Report says that South Australia can safely increase its participation in the nuclear cycle if the wealth is preserved and equitably shared, there is bipartisan approach and stable government policy, and for the extraction of ore the mining company pays for all decomissioning and remediation of the site. We've found from history that there is no guarantee of any of those factors, let alone years into the future. The most interesting of all the recommendations is "The Commission looked closely at reactor safety and the major accidents associated with nuclear power plants. While acknowledging the severe consequences of such accidents, the Commission has found sufficient evidence of safe operation and improvements such that nuclear power should not be discounted as an energy option on the basis of safety." No one has the right to recommend we take a risk that can potentially impact so disastrously and with such long term impact on the environment. We are making a decision for future generations, not just ourselves, for the return of a few dollars that will be spent in no time. Weighing up the facts of the life-cycle of radioactive waste, any risk of environmental disaster and the effect on branding of South Australia as a clean, green tourist and produce state, versus the dollar return for proceding with further participation in the nuclear fuel cycle, the Report's recommendations are reckless in the extreme.

rod Neville

10 Jun 2016

To the government agency. if in the future, say 50 or 100 years there are problems with said dump and it needs to be moved somewhere else. how much is this going to cost and where is it going to go. you know if Murphy's law comes into play.

Peter Meadow

10 Jun 2016

I believe we should have a nuclear dump that takes the worlds waste and we charge them heaps for it, would be great for the economy and we have heaps of stable land that would be good to use. I also believe we should be using nuclear power as we have an abundance of Uranium in this state, it is a good clean safe way to produce base load power.

rod Neville > Peter Meadow

10 Jun 2016

Peter. how can nuclear power be clean when it produces so much toxic waste. if we stop burning coal the waste stops. as with gas, diesel etc. i dont know exactly how long it takes nuclear waste to break down but it is a long time.

Peter Meadow > Peter Meadow

10 Jun 2016

I guess Rod we should all stop using electricity and go back to living in caves because there is no such thing as clean energy, but nuclear is quite possibly one of the most cleanest and efficient that we have available

April Mears

09 Jun 2016

I am opposed to the proposed nuclear waste site in South Australia.

Jamie Bishop > April Mears

14 Jun 2016

unhelpful

Joan Hancock

09 Jun 2016

I am definitely and emphatically opposed to a nuclear storage facility in S.A. To inflict this waste upon our land and future generations is deplorable. Why does this govt. want to poison the land? Money? No amount would ever console our future generations for the wrong that has been done, nor would any amount ever be able to right that wrong. We are not responsible for the world's nuclear waste and to accept it is paramount to a future of disaster. Have your say.. but will this pig headed govt. take any notice? Once this is here in storage we are stuck with it!

Jamie Bishop > Joan Hancock

14 Jun 2016

Unhelpful ill informed rant

john jasson

09 Jun 2016

For the avoidance of any doubt, I am strongly opposed to the creation of a nuclear storage facility in this State or Australia for that matter excepting the storage of our own low level nuclear waste. In regard to the recommendations in Chapter 10 of the report my comments are a s follows:
Recommendations 1, .... Strongly disagree with removal of State powers on these matters. This is contrary to the interests of South Australians
Recommendations 2,3,4.......Agree with these recommendations as they apply to mining generally.
Recommendation 5 is an absolute nonsense and I strongly disagree as it is not practical and realistically enforceable. This appears to me be a hollow and deceptive assurance to gain support for recommendations 8 through 12. The recommendation overlooks the appalling history of contamination in this State that has already occurred and can not be economically remediated.
Recommendation 6 Strongly disagree. Do not agree with removing powers on these matters at the State level. Undermines the function and purpose of State Government.
Recommendation 7 Agree subject to this activity NOT contravening the original intent and purpose of this facility. Priority should at all times support the fundamental purpose for which this facility was created.
Recommendation 8 Strongly disagree.
Recommendation 9 Agree with the intent of this recommendation but subject to the removal of Nuclear.
Recommendations 10, 11, 12 Strongly disagree.
In general the report is far too insular and skewed completely in the direction of nuclear at the expense of the raft of other energy technologies that are safer, have much lower risk profiles and show far greater promise with respect to overall cost and sustainability. As a nation we should be focussing greater energy, effort, investment and research into solar, geothermal, and other sustainable energy sources.

Jamie Bishop > john jasson

14 Jun 2016

But why not also open your mind to include the exploration of better use of nuclear energy - pre-and post use in its current form? Could innovation also include attempts to make it better managed, safer and more reliably processed? we have such a large resource and it is much less impactful on the environment - especially global warming?

john jasson > john jasson

14 Jun 2016

Hi Jamie, yes, my mind is open and I have commented on the recommendations accordingly based on my own carefully considered personal views and assessments. The matters you suggest are beyond the scope. The government agency has previously replied that ...The RC "found that nuclear power generation would not be commercially viable in SA under current market rules." So the matters you raise are not on the table. Notwithstanding I note that there is no recommendation around developing the science HERE in Australia. If this goes ahead i suspect we will import the key expert staff to run it. Furthermore this won't have one iota of impact on global warming, it won't save the reef any time soon. There are far more immediate, clean and low risk ways to impact the problems facing SA. Perhaps our political leaders should open their minds.

brendan john > john jasson

14 Jun 2016

The Commission actually found that no reliable generator could be economic under current market rules which give grid priority to wind & solar & allow them to reap windfalls by requiring ALL other generators to purchase "renewable" certificates from them, thereby allowing them to undercut all other generators.
The problem is with the legislative intervention in the market rules, designed to benefit via subsidization a narrow segment of ineffective intermittent generators & to severely penalize all other means of achieving carbon reductions.

john jasson > john jasson

14 Jun 2016

Yes Brendan I get your point. But governments can and do use legislative intervention to tilt the playing field, they just aren't very good at it. I have no sympathy for the fossil fuel generators who have been gouging the market for years. I remain firmly opposed to nuclear storage and strongly in favour of clean (non nuclear) energy.

Gayle Mitchell

09 Jun 2016

This is a forum of peoples personal opinions on nuclear energy, for and against. Is it necessary for contributors on both sides of the discussion to become verbally abusive and rude to others with opinions different to theirs? I've posted my opinions without insulting any others, it can be done. I'm seriously considering not viewing this forum again.

Steve Walker > Gayle Mitchell

10 Jun 2016

Unfortunately it is not an option to sit on the fence so emotions can run high. but I agree with you.

Jamie Bishop > Gayle Mitchell

14 Jun 2016

I agree too Gayle.. it should be a chance to logically discuss views and opinions... not simply to fill up with "Unhelpful ill informed rants" .... I hope this is not going to be a measurement of "yes rants vs no rants" on a quantity basis? if people read and make points and ask questions and query points made - that's helpful!

Sam Powrie

08 Jun 2016

I have 2 degrees - one in science - and have spent the last 15 years reading every article I can on energy security, resource depletion & sustainable futures. I'm also half-way through the Royal Commission's report and have read the summary and recommendations several times. Just so you can be assured the comments below stem from a serious commitment to understanding the issues involved. The Royal Commission has indicated the viability and benefits of a nuclear waste storage facility but has not supported further involvement in the nuclear fuel cycle - that is, nuclear power generation. I have no objection to a low level nuclear repository being sited in SA. A centralised repository for the large quantities of relatively low level irradiated items generated by health care and industry would keep such stuff away from population centres for the relatively short period of time required to render it safe. It is a socially responsible initiative that Australia needs to come to terms with as a nation. However, creation of a low-level repository is a completely and utterly different undertaking to anything involving storage of the high-level and waste derived from the nuclear power generation or nuclear weapons industries located in other countries. At present, to enter into a storage undertaking for such higher level wastes we would be entering into a commitment of vast & essentially unquantifiable amounts of money, time, resources and goodwill over hundreds if not thousands of years. A pact with not a single reliable guarantee as to future viability and market partnerships (i.e.; 'customers'). A pact with an international industry that is totally reliant on a consumption & growth-based (and therefore debt-based) vision of the world's economic future - a vision which plain reason suggests is unsustainable! A set of commitments from which the only benefits can be short-term economic outcomes and for which there can be no guaranteed market security! Clearly, if you take time to understand the risks we already face - our dangerous exposure to diminishing oil production (4-6% p.a) and to the depletion of other essential resources, rising environmental pollution and an exploding world-wide population - for South Australia to buy into and become dependent on any component of the international nuclear power cycle at all makes absolutely no sense. It makes no sense at all to me for South Australia to buy into other people's and other nation's nuclear storage challenges. So, no agreement from me with regard to any of the Royal Commission's recommendations except with regard to consideration of a low-level waste repository.

Gayle Mitchell > Sam Powrie

09 Jun 2016

Well said, Sam.

john jasson > Sam Powrie

09 Jun 2016

A well written and clearly educated response Sam. I agree with your comments, but SA is not the only viable location for Australia's low level waste repository.

Steve Walker > Sam Powrie

10 Jun 2016

Great work.. thankyou for writing such a well put together point of view. Totally agree.

Johann Breedt

08 Jun 2016

I personally believe that nuclear power generation should be consider as an option for the future.
I don't support criticisms and fears that revolve around Chernobyl and Fukushima as the flaws in both these disasters are evident when looked at closely;
* Chernobyl's reactors were quite long in the tooth and true to old Soviet corner-cutting was powered by Plutonium - PLUTONIUM!!??!!
* Fukushima - on the face of it OK to have a reactor a few hundred meters from the high water mark, and I do speak with hindsight, but that positioning for a reactor in an area that is known for earthquakes and tsunamis?
With South Australia's stability regarding seismic activity, the top of the Gulf St Vincent or Gulf Eyre could be ideal for such an reactor.
The important thing though is how people are engaged and informed about such a venture. The pros and cons must be clear. The reactor design should be the most reliable current light water reactors. And, horrors of horrors, the spent fuel should be stored in South Australia, lest it falls in the hands of some "beloved young leader" who is more interested in nuclear weapons that feeding his people.

Shaun Taylor

08 Jun 2016

As I previously mentioned, I do not support a high-level international dump but I do believe we need to be realistic and realise that we cannot continue to temporarily store our medical/educational/research nuclear waste at the Lucas Heights reactor in Sydney. Therefore I would support a low-level facility in SA for Australian waste.

David Richards > Shaun Taylor

10 Jun 2016

Agreed, but why put the Low Level Dump so far from the main source of supply? It does not make much sense to cart all that low level waste off many thousands of kilometres away from the Eastern states where the bulk of it has been generated, and put it up north where only a few people live. Unless there is another agenda? Surely, the necessary geological criterion for the LW dump exists closer to the main source of supply for this waste. It would seem sensible to minimise the risk of a transport accident by restricting the number of shipments and kilometres the waste has to travel across the earth's surface. Is it just a coincidence that S.A has this Royal commission into developing a High Level repository, maybe down the track we will also be discussing the synergy of combining the management of the two?

Shaun Taylor > Shaun Taylor

11 Jun 2016

I agree that transporting waste has risks, however, SA is central to all States and Territories. While Lucas Heights is the main domestic supply of isotopes, they are already transported/distributed to medical and educational facilities around the country from there. To keep returning depleted isotopes/waste back to NSW doesn't make sense and poses just as many risks.

David Richards > Shaun Taylor

12 Jun 2016

I do think that it is worthwhile to discuss where to site the LLD (Low Level Dump) for the disposal of the approx. 45 cubic metres or so of radioactive waste generated each year within Australia. I believe it is beholden upon everyone seeking to enter the SA Royal Commission debate to also engage with how the management of nuclear wastes generated in Australia should be undertaken.

With that in mind, I’d like to spend some time pursuing this further. What is essentially at issue is what to do with the 45 m³ of waste that is generated each year in Australia (of which approx. 40 m³ is LLW and 5 m³ is ILW), along with the 4248m³ of LLW, 656m³ ILW, and the 25 tonnes used research reactor fuel already in storage around Australia. Like Shaun, I believe Australia needs to plan and dispose of its own waste responsibly.

It is worthwhile to note that Western Australia already has its own LLW repository at Mt Walton East 480 km N.E of Perth, so it is unlikely much waste will be coming from the West. Given the small amount of waste generated in the N.T and S.A, and given the bulk of waste is generated in the research, medical and industrial facilities of the Eastern states, I don’t think it seems sensible to locate the Federal LLW & ILW repository close to the geographic centre of the country. Of the six short-listed sites, the selection by the Federal government of Barndioota, outside of Pt Augusta, doesn’t seem to be based any obvious, methodological consideration, but because it offered the easiest political pathway to social approval. Our State government’s current embrace of a much larger commercial proposal, and the fear of opposition to the more appropriate located NSW site were likely factors in its selection.

The cost of transport, more trucks, and more road miles, weakens the Barndioota proposal. It is not just about the environmental and financial costs of shipping this largely benign waste all those extra kilometres, but there will also be a human cost (road deaths) which could be minimised by keeping freight transport to a minimum and this facility closer to those sources of the waste. Of the six sites shortlisted, the Dubbo, Sallys Flatt proposal was on the surface by far the most rational location to place this facility. However, that would have required the political parties to commit to some decent public consultation, rather than try and hide the facility as far away from everyone as possible, given current population density.

Putting such a facility out the proverbial back of beyond is also wrong from a regulatory standpoint. If the site is remote, it makes regulatory oversight more difficult. Also, given the uncertain world we live in, such a facility, if it was to store the long-lived 'category S' ILW, then it would make sense from a security point of view to have the waste facility in conjunction with and close by to a major military base.

The point remains that consultation on the Barndioota proposal has only meaningfully begun now - after the decision has already been made. It doesn’t seek to explain the criteria for that decision, or how they were assessed. Rather it begins with: “here is 10 million ‘smackaroos’ to the lucky council, and it is only a bunch of NIMBY’s holding us back”.. Nevermind the wider consultation process, where is the consent from the local traditional owners of the land? The debate on this proposal needs to be improved before anybody can give consent.

Good material explaining the parameters of this debate are available here,

National Radioactive Waste Management Project—Information Pack: Barndioota, South Australia - 16_56103_radWasteMan_infoPack_Barndioota_WEB3.pdf

and

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/appendices/radioactive-waste-repository-store-for-australia.aspx

Martin Kennewell

08 Jun 2016

As someone who is 100% against the entire Nuclear Fuel Cycle, I am aslo fully aware that it does exist and is something the world must face, not just SA. This leads me to ask many unanswerable questions like;
1. If the current high level waste does not come here, where will it go instead? Could it end up in another country being managed by a corrupt government or private enterprise who will pocket the money paid to manage the waste, and then place it in a forgotten place where it will eventually pollute local land, ground water, rivers and the ocean?
2. Will the money paid to manage the waste give the Nuclear Power Industry more reason to expand in the name of growth and job creation?
We should not be happy just to keep the waste away from us and think we are doing good. Recent Nuclear disasters in Russia and Japan have flow on effects for the entire planet and as someone who is very interested in maintaining a clean environment, I believe our vision should not be restricted to our own back yard.
Could we not use this opportunity to (a) ensure the waste is stored as safely as possable (while recognising nothing is 100% safe) by overseeing the goverments plans and processes, and (b) ensure that a large portion of the money paid is used to increase the use of renewable energy and make the entire Nulear Power Generation Industry unviable in the future?
I can se that my way of looking at the problem may be too simplistic, but I do not like the idea of just saying "Anywhere but here" and Let someone else deal with it."

Leigh Flitter > Martin Kennewell

08 Jun 2016

Altruistic, but sadly, those who would send their rubbish to us would have no motivation (other than altruistic/ethical ones) to keep the quality of the preparation and packing of the containers safe - I don't like the chances of corner-cutting not occurring. So... whatever money is "left-over", may well vanish into things like "maintenance", overseas "quality control" and "inspections", and even a "quiet: fund here to cover-up and fix spills....

Peter Catton

08 Jun 2016

On numerous occasions throughout my working career I've been told "never ask a question unless you have an answer / don't complain about a problem without an effective solution" and yet people still complain without an answer or solution...........I hear comments like:
- "Think of our children"
- "What about the environment"
If SA doesn't attract some form of economic stimulus, that's all I'll be able to do with my kids (think about them), because they'll be working interstate or overseas. As far as the environment goes, it's a desolate piece of land a "poofteenth" of the states population has ever seen.
Please Jay, for the sake of SA's economic future just get it done, create some jobs and financial security for the 1.4 million people in SA that want a prosperous future.

Leigh Flitter > Peter Catton

08 Jun 2016

There is still plutonium etc, ploughed over at Maralinga - will this ever be cleaned up? - now a piece of land that can never really be used for anything again, given that it was a desert in the first place (although the indigenous people always travelled through there, and indeed were irradiated) - But it is now effectively a piece of SA completely sacrificed. BTW the New Mexico waste facility is still trying to clean up their radioactive spill from a faulty shipment of waste received in 2014.

Peter Catton

08 Jun 2016

On numerous occasions throughout my working career I've been told "never ask a question unless you have an answer / don't complain about a problem without an effective solution" and yet people still complain without an answer or solution...........I hear comments like:
- "Think of our children"
- "What about the environment"
If SA doesn't attract some form of economic stimulus, that's all I'll be able to do with my kids (think about them), because they'll be working interstate or overseas. As far as the environment goes, it's a desolate piece of land a "poofteenth" of the states population has ever seen.
Please Jay, for the sake of SA's economic future just get it done, create some jobs and financial security for the 1.4 million people in SA that want a prosperous future.

Peter Catton

08 Jun 2016

On numerous occasions throughout my working career I've been told "never ask a question unless you have an answer / don't complain about a problem without an effective solution" and yet people still complain without an answer or solution...........I hear comments like:
- "Think of our children"
- "What about the environment"
If SA doesn't attract some form of economic stimulus, that's all I'll be able to do with my kids (think about them), because they'll be working interstate or overseas. As far as the environment goes, it's a desolate piece of land a "poofteenth" of the states population has ever seen.
Please Jay, for the sake of SA's economic future just get it done, create some jobs and financial security for the 1.4 million people in SA that want a prosperous future.

Penny Kleemann

08 Jun 2016

To Jay and the state Labor Party:
As I type, I’m looking at a photo of Mike Rann celebrating with the Kupa Piti Kungka Tjuta when they defeated the Howard nuclear dump proposal. Do the words “Judas” and “betrayal” mean anything to you?
Do you really think South Australians are so stupid? This state dump proposal is so full of lies and so obviously about greed, money before the planet, and the rich getting richer. The bias of the Royal Commission is gob-smacking. Let’s start with Kevin Scarce:
Kevin Scarce said in a Flinders Uni lecture in 2014 that he was “an advocate for a nuclear industry”.
He appointed three nuclear advocates to the Committee and only one person who was opposed. Wow – unbiased. Sounds like the work of a nuclear lobby group to me.
This is why we should say NO:
We are leading the country in renewables. Why touch poison when we can be clean, green?
The supposed financial benefits are based on very shakey modeling, and if it all goes wrong, it will bring the opposite of financial windfall and could bankrupt the state.
SA’s track record of “managing” nuclear waste is appalling – look at Maralinga!
And, the state Labor government embezzled 9.1 million plus of OUR public money on a Royal Commission when they could have just asked The Australia Institute to do it. For that money we could be well on the way to building our solar thermal plant at Port Augusta.
Jay, if you want to poison South Australia and take down our pristine environment, amazing tourism, outstanding wines and brilliant organic food, go right ahead. If you want to commit political suicide, that’s your choice. I certainly WON’T be voting for Tom Kenyon in my electorate again. Potential sites haven’t been announced but no surprises for guessing where they’ll be; well, we will stand shoulder to shoulder with our incredible, amazing, strong, beautiful and wise Aboriginal people of the nations of South Australia – THEY, are the true wealth of this state! Please pick the good way Jaye, do the right thing, not just for us but for the generations of South Australians to come.

David Richards > Penny Kleemann

10 Jun 2016

Just trying to reconcile what Penny has recollected about Kevin Scarce saying in a Flinders' Uni lecture in 2014 that he was... “an advocate for a nuclear industry”, and what Kevin Scarce said his position was prior to accepting the role of Royal commissioner in Feb 2015. At the Hawke Centre lecture (01/06/2016) he was asked: "Prior to you be given the role of overseeing this review were you a supporter of Nuclear Energy." To which he replies... "No ! I didn't have enough knowledge about Nuclear Energy. So No, the answer to that is."
The Hawke centre lecture is available here:
http://www.unisa.edu.au/Business-community/Hawke-Centre/Events-calendar/Nuclear/
(The question is asked at the 1:16:48 minute mark into the lecture.)
Is there a transcript of the 2014 lecture, just trying to grapple with the disjuncture.

Jamie Bishop > Penny Kleemann

14 Jun 2016

Good on you David - if the purpose of this web site is to give an opportunity to read and perhaps contribute with information to assist in the debate, then calling out people such as Penny for spreading incorrect information is necessary. Perhaps a moderator/fact checker would be a responsible addition to this page?

David Richards > Penny Kleemann

19 Jun 2016

Firstly apologies to Penny if in any way I gave the impression that I was questioning the integrity of what you were saying, it was not my intention.

I have subsequently listened to Kevin Scarce’s 2014 Flinders University Investigator lecture (24/11/14, Adelaide Festival Centre) entitled :“Divided we Fall: Finding a Shared Vision for Our Economic Transformation”, and I am in no doubt he is using the platform to advocate for an increased involvement in the nuclear cycle by S.A Government and Industry. The lecture is available here: http://www.flinders.edu.au/alumni/alumni-community/investigator-lecture.cfm

Personally, I regard the two positions (given in the 2014 and 2016 lectures) as contradictory. However, I have no doubt that Mr Scarce is being truthful in the 2016 lecture when he says that prior to becoming Royal Commissioner he did not have enough information to be classed as a supporter of nuclear energy. His 2014 lecture demonstrates such naivety about nuclear fusion research, for example, that I can’t believe he had at that time a coherent understanding of nuclear energy.
Specifically Scarce says:

[39:50] “In the United States for example, work is well underway to the development for a reactor to harness nuclear fusion - the process that powers the sun. There are reports that these reactors could be small enough to fit on the back of a truck. And capable of generating enough energy to light 80,000 homes. It would burn less than 20 kg’s of fuel a year, producing waste that is orders of magnitude less than the ash and slush spewed by coal plants.
[40:38] This technology, which is perhaps little more than a decade away, could release more energy than commercial units currently using nuclear fission, without the risks of the Fukushima style melt down. Now I’m certainly not the first to call for a mature debate on the cost and benefits of a nuclear industry. We ought to know what jobs it might create, and revenue it could generate, as well as understand all the associated costs and risks. Such a debate irrespective of the outcome, also sends a clear message that, “we are open for business”.

This is more Science Fiction, than fact. I am not saying it is a mistake for scientific research to pursue nuclear fusion. IF the above scenario were true, and small fusion reactors were only a decade away, then much of the concerns over human induced global warming climate change would be well on the way to being solved. However, to judge by the ITER project in France, a project involving the co-operation of 35 countries and a budget of (aprox) $20 billion, current fusion research seems to be operating on the mega (rather than back of a truck) scale. E.g. the concrete foundations to support the reactor now being built weighs 400,000 metric tons, which is more than the weight of the Empire State Building. Giant magnets controlled by super computers are required to contain superheated plasma at the temperature of 150 million °C (ten times the temperature at the core of the Sun).

The science of the ITER project is epic, however it is far too optimistic to assert that it is only a decade away, and I believe it places into serious doubt the reasoning that led to the need for SA’s $9+ million report into the nuclear cycle. I’m not suggesting this fiction of Buck Roger- like fusion reactors (small enough to fit on the back of a truck) going into the shops around Xmas 2025 is in any way repeated in the proposals of the Royal Commission. What is repeated, however, is the over-optimistic gilding of the lily. What about the assertion of the Royal Commission that a market is going to suddenly arise for disposing of used nuclear fuel at $1.2 million a tonne? And the assertion that the market will continue for long enough to pay for the burial of all the waste that we will have to store on the surface until we have enough money to safely permanently dispose 400+ metres below ground. I believe these assertions are a dangerous exaggeration equal to the fusion fiction of the 2014 lecture, designed to advocate for a dump proposal based upon financially unrealistic expectations.

Good material on the progress of fusion research:
https://www.iter.org
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2016/03/23/nuclear-fusion-reactor-research/

Oliver Bischof

07 Jun 2016

Australians are lucky to pay much less for oil based energy than Europeans do, which in the end prevents lots industries from decreasing growth. Nevertheless, we all should think about what we want for our children. In what environment shall they grow up and raise their kids and so on? If we decide to further invest in old energy as nuclear, they will pay a high price in comparison to what the benefits are in short term. Just have a look at Ukraine or Japan disasters. With the space and environment for it, Australia could easily become a global leader in renewable energy. However, Australians need to rethink their energy consumption as well to make this a success. Stop blowing energy into the air, stop wasting it, start using it wisely.

Colleen Duffy

07 Jun 2016

I am very pleased to read so many well informed comments by people who oppose the proposed nuclear waste dump and who have obviously read the recommendations in the Royal Commission's Report. Your Say keeps asking for people to comment but none of the comments which are against a nuclear waste dump appear to be influencing the government. I think that a broader conversation with the community is only going to be useful if the government listens and gives credence to opinions of people who disagree with the proposals that the government is promoting.

Kerrie Harcarik

07 Jun 2016

I do not support a nuclear waste dump anywhere in Australia!

Johann Breedt

07 Jun 2016

I'm not too sure if the renewable energy sources we currently employ can effectively supply a base load for all residential, commercial in industrial needs. In an age where we are dependent on aluminum to mention one example, how many wind turbines will supply the need of aluminum smelter?
Renewable energy sources seems to be reasonably effective, but not economical. For the sake of our needs and lifestyles we will have to turn to something like nuclear power at least on a temporary basis, until other energy sources have been developed or perfected to generate dependable and affordable energy.

Alan Strickland > Johann Breedt

07 Jun 2016

Aluminium smelting isn't a great example to pick. Check power subsidies by taxpayers to Alcoa's Portland smelter here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_aluminium_smelter. That's mainly fired by brown coal but ask yourself whether building a nuclear power station to produce millions of beer cans is an environmentally sound idea. That's in a state that resists a container deposit scheme.

Steven McColl > Johann Breedt

10 Jun 2016

Alan, Aluminum smelting is an excellent sample of the requirement for continuous supply of electricity at large magnitudes. -Have you worked at Tomago Aluminium and seen the size (and current demand) of those electrodes along the Pot lines?

so how to How to operate Aluminium smelters, Petrochemical plants and Hydrogen production by intermittent Solar and Wind that require thousands of kW and sometimes up to a GW?

Alan thank you I found from your link to the Portland aluminum smelter in Wikipedia regarding the financial subsidies, that's why the availability of electricity at low cost but delivered continuously at large magnitudes like around one GigaWatt is so important.

Tomago Aluminum is fueled by Black coal, Portlant plant apparently by Brown from your link - cheers for that.

Steven McColl > Johann Breedt

10 Jun 2016

Tomago Aluminium: hard black coal >26MJ/kg,

Portland Aluminium: soft brown coal: 10MJ/kg; and firewood (dry): 16MJ/kg!

Shaun Taylor

07 Jun 2016

I would certainly support a low-level waste facility in SA for Australian (and perhaps also NZ and PNG) medical and educational radioactive waste. I do not however support a high-level international dump. Neither do I support having a nuclear power generating facility, especially considering that we already have viable wind power production and almost potentially limitless solar power production in this State.

Government Agency

Consultation Team - Brooke > Shaun Taylor

08 Jun 2016

Hi Shaun, thanks so much for having your say on this important issue. Whilst the Royal Commission did indeed investigate nuclear power generation as part of the Nuclear Fuel Cycle, it found that it would not currently be commercially viable in SA under current market rules.

Alan Strickland > Shaun Taylor

08 Jun 2016

'Not currently be commercially viable in SA under current market rules' However Kevin Scarce's address at the Hawke Centre on Wed 1st June indicated that nuclear power generation may need to be part of the mix after 2030 and we should consider this possibility. To quote Tony Abbott (on WorkChoices) it's definitely not 'dead, buried and cremated'.

Alan Strickland > Shaun Taylor

08 Jun 2016

My reply was directed to Brooke of the Consultation Team and not Shaun Taylor.

john jasson

07 Jun 2016

Why are we spending so much on this when it is clear that this is not a consultation process but a selling process. I believe the public of SA is sufficiently competent and highly capable to make an informed decision and a referendum is the right way to go given the importance of the matter to ALL South Australians.

Colleen Duffy > john jasson

07 Jun 2016

Absolutely agree with you John.

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Consultation Team - Brooke > john jasson

08 Jun 2016

Hi John, thanks for joining the conversation. We do want to clarify that the whole exercise in which we're undertaking is very much a consultation process. A key component of this is a state-wide program which will see a team travel to over 100 locations to listen to their views of a range of communities and gain important feedback. This is in addition to our YourSAy discussion boards and social media profiles where all feedback is being taken into account, plus the upcoming Citizens' Juries which will identify key topics from the Royal Commission's report that all South Australians need to discuss and explore.

Chapter 6 of the Royal Commission Report looks at the topic of social and community consent which you may be interested in, including addressing the importance of ongoing social consent​. In this context it identifies that a public vote on a proposal is not a reliable indicator of this ongoing consent. 

Leigh Flitter > john jasson

08 Jun 2016

To Brooke, Consultation Team: " a public vote on a proposal is not a reliable indicator of this ongoing consent" - what kind of weasel-words are they? Is it implying that a land-slide vote against accepting overseas waste today, could turn into a landslide vote the other way, in four years time? Pull the other one, please.

john jasson > john jasson

09 Jun 2016

Hello Brook, forgive my cynicism, but I can't recall a "consultation" process that has ever appeared so aligned to an outcome agenda. I admit I suffer an extreme lack of trust in government and for many good reasons. ( I won't launch into an extensive list of examples here). I also find the terminology somewhat disturbing when wonderful titles such as "citizens jury" spring up as a means to attempt to bestow authority to interpret and represent the public view. A referendum is the only proper course of action on this extremely important decision and there is no suggestion at this time that this extensive "consultation process" will culminate in a formal vote by the people of South Australia. I for one do not trust any politician in any party to make this decision for me.

As for the Comments you refer to in Chapter 6, this content only serves to heighten my cynicism when there is clearly an intent to "lead the herd" and circumvent proper processes and silence the voice of the people.

Malcolm Cochran

07 Jun 2016

Its important not to mix up Power Generation here, with Waste Storage. The reason I am against Generation is not the risk of explosion - its the enormous cost of decommissioning.
But I think Waste Storage would be safe. Certainly safer "all that uranium" lying around in the ground at Roxby!
I would be horrified if the Flinders Ranges had a factory built there, but if folk grumble that Maralinga remains contaminated, putting safe storage there might be acceptable to the local people. But there are plenty of places. Roxby itself is now somewhat run down, and has built in power, water.
What should be remembered is that Chemical Technicians should be in charge, not retrained Miners (with all due respect).